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The Way Up is Down with Marlena Graves

Marlena Graves joins us to explore the dangers of religious triumphalism. How does Jesus’ way lead down… and how is down really the way up?

Marlena Graves joins us to explore the dangers of religious triumphalism. How does Jesus’ way lead down… and how is down really the way up?

Fascinating Podcast - November 22, 2021

Wholehearted Faith with Jeff Chu

Wholehearted Faith with Jeff Chu

Jeff Chu joins us to discuss Wholehearted Faith, the last book from Rachel Held Evans. Jeff co-authored the book, and our own Kathy Khang recorded one chapter of the audiobook. We reflect on Rachel's legacy - including some clips from our final interview with her where she discussed this book. Ultimately, we consider a faith that is both deeply rooted in God's love and widely inclusive of all peoples.

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In this Episode:

5 – Story of the Week

8 – Marlena Graves

13 – The Way Up is Down

21 – Deconstruction

48 – What’s Fascinating Us This Week?

60 – Where on the internet

Episode Links

Connect with Marlena Graves

Book | Twitter | Website

7 gifts of aslan: sacraments in Dawn Treader

DEVS’ Temple Theology 

What’s Fascinating Us:

Matt: Goonies Reunion

Kathy: Minor Feelings, Cathy Park Hong and MASKS

JR.: Dread Nation by Justina Ireland

Marlena: Short story – the dignity of people

Follow us on Twitter:

KathyMatt | Clay | JR.

Here’re our books:

Raise Your Voice (Kathy) | Matt’s Books | Undead (Clay) | Empathy for the Devil (JR.)

Here’s the stuff we’ve made:

Kathy’s BlogMatt’s Books | Clay’s Books | JR.’s Site | JR.’s Email List

Audio Producer: Aaron Kretzmann

Phos Studios
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How do you find freedom in weakness?

By JR. Forasteros

JR. lives in Dallas, TX with his wife Amanda. In addition to exploring the wonders that are the Lone Star state, JR. is the teaching pastor at Catalyst Community Church, a writer and blogger. His book, Empathy for the Devil, is available from InterVarsity Press. He's haunted by the Batman, who is in turn haunted by the myth of redemptive violence.